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Tdi SL Mods to later models (12 replies)

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I have just purchased a Tdi SL from a UK main whites dealer the sticker on the box and inside the battery compartment state that it is
a 2012 model a long time I think to have a machine in stock.
Have there been any modifications to the Tdi SL since 2012

The old athletic field turns up a silver merc (15 replies)

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I went to a old athletic field for a little bit today. It's been pounded for ever & I mean ever with the best machines out there. I used some of the settings I've read about & messed with stuff also. I settled for a gb of @ 4.5 sens @7-8 pulse @ 10 & adjusted the frequency so it didn't hop around much. I could tell coins pretty easy. Iron really broke up or would hit in one direction. The clad wasn't deep at all in the roots of the grass. Now the silver dime was @7". It sounded modulated. Good but soft and solid. It sounded just like the clad dimes but softer. Guys I'm really not a coin hunter but I've got to learn the TDI I have so wth. Old coppers & civil war relics is my poison. I've been detecting most of my life & the learning curve has just started on pi machines. Thanks Reg & Steve for the posts about the TDI. It's making things a little easier to grasp. HH TIM

TDI vrs SL for depth (20 replies)

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I had a conversation with a distributor who mentioned the SL gets about 20% less depth than the TDI. Is this true??

Well, it can be for certain reasons and here are some of them.

First, the SL has a relatively short battery life so many people run their batteries as long as possible. Also, they usually run the Ni Mh units rather than alkalines. Now, the NiMh batteries have a lower voltage to begin with, so they will produce less depth. Next, trying to squeeze more time out of either them usually causes more depth loss as the batteries run down. Bragging on how long the batteries last is great if you are trying to promote some battery setup, but if you are serious about getting the maximum depth or number of targets you can find, then maximum power is needed and not maximum battery life.

A couple of things can be done regarding the battery life and one is to go to Li Ion batteries such as the RNB system. The run time is longer and the voltage is higher with their new 3100mah system for the SL. Another alternative is to go to a 4 cell setup made by Reid and sold on Ebay. This system kicks the voltage up to the TDI voltage and uses the new Panasonic 3400 mah batteries. In either case, run time should be better than 4 continuous hours before you should consider changing to a second set. One might be able to get 5 to 6 hours out of them before they die but again, after a certain time, even the Li Ion batteries begin to sag and depth is lost. Personally, I prefer to change batteries once I notice little things indicating the batteries are declining.

Another issue is noise. No, you normally don't hear it easily on the SL but failure to properly set the frequency will cause depth loss. This depth loss will happen on both the TDI and SL if the minimum noise setting isn't used, so take time to listen carefully to the threshold and adjust the frequency for the least noise.

A couple of years ago I notice the noise reduction design in the SL caused a small depth loss, maybe a typical 1/2" or so on a coin size object. Well, I came up with a fix only to have the factory say it would cause a sound on the upswing of the coil. I couldn't duplicate the noise but did abandoned my idea. Later, I was asked to help find a solution to a hiccup signal happening on the SPP being sold in Australia. Well after considering several more complex designs, I went back to my original idea I had and tried it. What I found was the hiccup was gone on half of the tones. After analyzing the signals, I realized the other half had the hiccup because of another component and I couldn't figure out why it was there. I removed the part and everything seemed fine, but ultimately another quirk reared its ugly head as the result of my mods.

Often times a detector will have a power on reset used to clear any and all quirks that could happen at start-up. As it turns out, if there is a POR (power on reset) on the SL, it didn't work and what could happen was when the detector was initially turned on a useless filter wasn't reset and could cause an audio response that lasted a few seconds. This happened as the result of all my mods when using only certain coils.

The simple solution was to remove the worthless extra filter by simply shorting out a capacitor (cap) which I did, but doing so increased the gain. Increasing the gain didn't place the typical presets in the exact spot and increase the noise some. So the distributor in OZ complained and as a result the cap was left in. With the cap still in, some coils would and still do cause the audio start-up signal. To stop this signal one only has to bob the coil and the filter is reset and causes no more problems until the next time the detector is turned off and on. The reason there is no more problems after start-up is because there is a reset function built in that resets three filters any time a signal caused by a target or the ground occurs and that happens all the time.

Anyway, for those of you who heard of the Australia problem of a hiccup, you now know how it came to be fixed. One other positive feature of the fix was the depth loss occurring because of the noise reduction design was gone. Since the SL has the same gain as the TDI and the depth loss caused by the noise reduction was gone, the only reason the SL didn't match the TDI for depth was battery voltage. Change that and the SL should match the TDI.

One other idea I had was to use this useless filter to add a second filter with the same time constant as the ones in the autotune circuitry. This would add a second filter which could help with really bad ground conditions. By using something simple like a 3 position switch one could have the useless filter in just like it is, or switch to a second filter design, or finally eliminate the filter all together. Believe it or not, I used something like this on my very early low powered PI years before the TDI was thought of. At some point I will try this idea, but only when time permits.

Well, that is all for now, but as you can see, there are still things to try on the TDI series to add features and this little post mentions some of them.

Reg

SL Battery voltage (1 reply)

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Copied the following from another site. Is this true?


If you are going to Carry Disposable Batteries then Only Use Energizer Lithium's as they have A Much higher Voltage than Duracell's and Normal Energizers at 1.61 Volts, Where AS The Energizer Lithium's Have 1.83 volts which @ 8 X 1.83 = 14.64 Volts, DON'T PANIC Because the TDI SL Can Run 16.00 Volts Safely, OK,
NOW These Energizer Lithium's Have A 10 Year Shelf Life, and have Working Temperature of -40*c to + 40*c++, and they are the only Battery that Is Guaranteed Not To Leak, So If you Own ANYTHING of Value to YOU Only Use these Batteries In It and Even more So with your Detectors because The High Voltage Makes the Machine A Bit Deeper and A Little More Sensitive and A Longer Run Time than Normal Energizers or Duracell,

Through the hole TDI (4 replies)

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It turns out I have one of those "through the hole" TDI's. I sent it in to get the mods done and he wast able to. Is there any other modifications that can be done to make it run a little bit smoother?

df coil waterproof depth (1 reply)

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I waterproofed my tdi sl. I have noticed the 12" dualfield coil is a real floater. Does anyone know how deep its waterproof until? I'm looking at 3 or 4ft but waves will greatly increase the pressure

Interesting hunt (12 replies)

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Had a very interesting hunt yesterday. Went to an old church yard where in the past I had found a couple nice Barber dimes. Went with my hunting buddy, who uses the DFX. Setup as usual, GB 6-7, pulse 10, gain at 8 and off I went. Noticed right off a lot of false audio reports, I knew right off it was the rain saturated ground. Finally reduced sensitivity and the false signals vanished and I continued hunting. Dug a couple nice sounds that turned out to be small nails. So I reduced the GB to 5, continued to dig small nails and pieces of wire. Finally increased pulse rate to see if I could avoid some of the small pieces of foil, but regardless of settings the foil came through. Well anyway after digging a few more pieces of wire and small nails I decided to ask my buddy what he had found and his reply was a pocket full of nails and no goodies. He stated, most of the nails would give a high tone and he was afraid to pass them up because of the nice old silvers we had found in the past.

Still very happy with my SL. In bad ground it is far superior to the VLF machines, but I don't think it has an edge or "maybe the same" in the good ground sites.

Modded tdi and tip (2 replies)

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Got it back and I'm impressed with it in my garden. Definite difference in speed and depth maybe background noise but I didn't really feel like that was a problem.
Also here is some FYI I hope this will help
It took me a while to here a difference in a nail and quarter but if you put lay down a good size nail and go over it you will here a blip/ blip do the same with a coin or bullet and you will only hear one blip. Granted it's easier to hear when you know what is there rather than real hunt situations but the more I hear it the easier it is. I haven't perfected it in the field but getting better. I really feel this is worth doing over and over until you can hear the double of the nail and the single of the coin. Does anyone else have any tips?

Playing around question with pull tabs (9 replies)

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Is there anyway to hunt in all mode and get rid of stuff like pull tabs? I could get rid of a good piece size of foil by turning pulse up but I could not get rid of the pull tab. Or is there a way to tell the tabs from nickels. I want to dig nickels and not 100s of tabs. Any suggestions or tips

sl beach depth (6 replies)

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Using a tdi sl will I get better depth gold hunting on the saltwater beach with gb off? I have hunted several beaches and have never had to gb on any of them.... is this correct ?

Testing a 14" Razorback coil. (7 replies)

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I received my new 14" round razorback coil this week and I gave it a run out on the beach yesterday. Dam this coil is deep, I dug four British Victorian penny's at 20+ inches in black sand. I did notice that sensitivity to tiny bits was a lot lower compared to the DF coil, which is a good thing when beach hunting imop. Now when I went home, I was a little worried that I was losing sensitivity to smaller gold rings so I decided to do a bit of air testing to see how responsive the 14" coil was. Started off with a Victorian penny and it air tested at 22/23" which was what I expected, now the fun started when I started testing some gold rings. First off a 3g 9k gold man's ring, wow it air tested at 25", did not expect that considering the large 31mm (1+3/16") coin tested a few inches less, next was a .5g 9k child's ring at 11". Compared these results to DF coil, and it done a little better with the small ring and a little less on the large one.

Now the thing that really shocked me was I tried the rings on their edge and I got a double beep in one direction and a single beep in the other direction, the same response nails and hair pins give. Now I know that rings don't usually settle on their edge especially on a beach but I cant help thinking how many rings I might have passed over thinking they were nails? What do you think, is it worth the time and effort to start digging all those double beep signals?

TDI S/L on Low Conductivity (Question) (1 reply)

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With the TDI S/L in Low Conductivity and less GB, small pieces of iron are really liked. It seems to dislike more so when you advance the GB (toward 9). Is that possible? Exactly opposite in High Conductivity. Thanks....D.

TDI/SL for relics (6 replies)

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Any advice for the TDI S/L users for relics. I went out the other day with my friend to do a little relic hunting. My friend and his trusted 6000 DI Pro smoked me again. We didn't look long because of the heat. He came up with a pretty dropped .59 cal. and a melted bullet.The day before, I came to the conclusion that I would just look for buttons( Low Cond). because I have a hard time with the sounds on High Cond. and, if you do any discrimination with the GB for nails, it will also knock out bullets (.59 cal. and larger). So,the day before we went, I set the conductivity to low, the PD to 17, and the GB to 6.5-7 while air detecting at the house . I found that it would scream on the eagle buttons, and would not touch some old dug rusty nails. Now these were nails that had nodules of rust from the sides( real rusty nails almost rusted into). It would not grunt, or I might say scream in low cond. the first utterance.The next day when we got to the woods, after ground balancing, I started with these exact settings that I had played with at the house. My first detection was a tiny piece of rusted horse-shoe nail about 3/16 of an inch long and not rusted as much as the longer nails at home but rusty. It screamed at me and about 2.5 " in red clay soil. The next two detections were small wire the size of paper clips and not too deep. The next was a dropped .22 cal. new bullet. I got frustrated and went to High cond. and getting several sounds which sometimes I could distinguish between double-beeps and sometimes not with digging alot of rusted nails in between. Then my friend hollowed and asked me to check his detection. I came up and swept over his detected area and not a whimper. He dug it and it was another dropped .22 cal complete bullet like the one I had dug at first. Of course I was in high cond and that was why I didn't detect it. But there was no need in taking the time to explain. Need I say, this was no promotion of this model at all to my friend. To coin or nugget hunters, these may be the best thing since air-conditioning. But with relic hunting,and unless you dig every detection, I cannot see them to be any kind of proclamation to relic hunting. My old Whites 6000 of the early 70's was far much better at viewing through the earth to see these articles of those perilous times that we think so much of and the ones that lost them or threw them away hated. With no compliments at all to this machine for relic hunting ........D.

Coils that will work on the TDI S/L (1 reply)

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I was interested in coils that will interchange with the TDI S/L. Will Minelab DD coils work with the S/L? Thanks......D.

Has anyone tried the OZ Mono coil Yet? Time to get back to my TDI Routes (4 replies)

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Thanks for any comments. Tex:thumbup:

Modded tdi coil opinion (1 reply)

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I know this is an opinion question but I like to read em. So I'm fixing to sell or trade my shadow x5 and concentrate on my TDI for a while. I've got the 12" dual field and want to get a coil more for coins/ relics not nugget hunting. What do you guys like and why.

Any thoughts on the 7.5 dual field and the Jimmy df mono elipiticalN/T (no replies)

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Coil Types for the S/L (no replies)

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Will a Minelab GPX Mono Coil work on the TDI S/L? Thanks.......

I will be at Diggin In Virginia in November (1 reply)

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If any of you TDI users are coming drop me a PM. It should be fun and we will kick Mine.... butt.:super:

Better and Better (1 reply)

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Liking my SL better each day.

Reg was right this machine requires a lot of time to learn.

But the rewards are many.
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